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The Slash Closet
I've been thinking lately about the closeted nature of slash fandom.

It's something I've been running into particularly often lately, but what solidified it in my mind as something I wanted to post about was my trip to DC.

On back to back weekends I went to DC Gay Pride and a slash con and the juxtaposition of attitudes between the two events really brought it home to me how closeted slash fandom is.

And more to the point, it really struck me how normal we seem to think that is.

I am not closeted in any aspect of my life, neither my sexuality nor my hobbies. My parents, my sister and my oldest niece as well as my best non-fannish friend all read or have read this journal. 95% of my fannish content is unlocked. Mostly they ignore it. Although Holly, bless her, reads my rare attempts at fiction, even though she's never seen any of the shows I write. I don't insert slash into conversations it's not appropriate in, but I don't hide it from or lie about it to my friends and family either. It just seems ridiculous to me that I would be open and honest about who I sleep with but take pains to hide what I read about.

Work is slightly different. I don't talk about slash at work for the same reason I wouldn't talk about my SF fandom or my family issues, it's none of their business and I've learned the hard way to keep my personal and professional lives well segregated.

***But for the sake of this conversation I want to leave work out of it and specifically focus on how open we as slashers are with our family and friends. For most people our co-workers are not our family or close friends, and it's those close relationships I really want to focus on if possible.***

I know -- have had it hammered home to me repeatedly of late -- that I am unusual in my openness. The default assumption in fandom seems to be "entirely closeted until proven otherwise," and I am regularly met with surprise, disbelief and doubt when I talk about my parents reading my livejournal or my marathon session of printing out Yuletide fic from my dad's computer when I was home for Christmas a couple years ago.

Instead, this is what I see on my friendslist and friendsfriends: The fan who lies to or misleads her spouse as to what kind of fiction she writes. The fan who panics and deletes or locks down her journal because a real-life family member found it. The fan who has an "arrangement" with a friend and fellow slasher, to delete all the fic off her computer in the event of her death, so her family won't find it. The fan who has two completely disconnected internet pseudonyms: one she uses for slash, and one she uses for everything else.

And this behavior is encouraged and supported and portrayed as the normal and expected thing to do and I just blink and go "bzuh?" and think "who does that." What other hobby is there were the participants go to such great lengths to hide their participation? "My wife doesn't know I collect stamps. She thinks I'm at a business meeting." I mean, huh??

Yet, the assumption that slashers will be in the closet is so ingrained in fandom that we don't even talk about it.

Fandom, is a complex pattern of repeated conversations. The same topics come up again and again, with the dominant perspective of them shifting and changing over time. We talk about incest. We talk about RPS. We talk about appropriate boundaries with actors/creators. We talk about plagiarism and sockpuppets and BNFs. But we never, ever talk about the closet so many of us live in.

So, here we go. Why is slash such a closeted sub-group? What is it about slash that makes so many fans convinced they have to hide it and lie about it, even to their near and dear? And the real pernicious question. Is this attitude in fact good for slash fandom?

I have my own thoughts and theories on these questions, and I'll talk about them in the comments, but I want to start by opening the floor to hear what the rest of you think about this.

Thanks to [info]commodorified, [info]isiscolo, [info]guede_mazaka and [info]mzcalypso for helping me hash out my thoughts over IM. You all rock.



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[info]iclysdale
2006-06-28 03:36 pm UTC (link)
I have a new theory: the Masons are behind slash. And they won't teach me the damn secret handshake.

OK, that probably doesn't work either. I'll leave useful ideas to those less fried than I.

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[info]linaerys
2006-06-28 03:46 pm UTC (link)
Very interesting thoughts. I think I'm less closeted than a lot of fans. My RL friends know and either tolerate or actively participate in slash fandom. My husband knows and nudges me toward shows he thinks I might enjoy for their slashy content. He encourages my writing teh PR0N, not just because when I'm thinking about such things I am more affectionate, but also because he knows I enjoy it.

My parents know I occasionally write fanfiction, but not the extent of it, and they do not read my LJ. I prefer it that way, more because I don't want to share certain aspects of my personal life than because I don't want to share my fic. But I also think they would look down upon fanfiction as not being "real" fiction, and I don't want to get into that argument. Futhermore, I'm in fandom because I like reading stories that turn me on, or at least that's my point of entry. I definitely love a good plot and good characterization, but I am in fandom for the unique confluence of plot PLUS characterization PLUS sex. Pro-fic may give you A and B, but it doesn't give nearly enough of the sex. I find pro erotica sadly lacking A and B, and even C is better represented in fandom. No one writes sex scenes as well as fanfic writers.

I also wouldn't discuss the Kushiel series with my Dad when he read that. I don't want to know if and how it turned him on. That's just a door I'd like to keep closed.

I don't mention it to my RL acquaintances when they ask what I'm up to, again, probably because of the sexual content.

When I lock my fic announcements, it's often more because I don't want some RL friends knowing the volume of my fic output than not wanting them to know the content of my fic output.

I think that a little circumspection about the whole thing may be good for slash fandom, because I think it is may encourage the less, uh, hinged (or less mature) fans to keep the slash away from the actors themselves. That said, if actors at con panels are going to field questions about whether the character is will have a relationship with a character of the opposite sex, there's no reason they shouldn't have to field questions about whether the character will have a relationship with a character of the same sex. There is a divide between asking that, and announcing one's sexual fantasies in public.

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[info]cereta
2006-06-28 03:46 pm UTC (link)
I'm something of an anomaly, I know. I'm totally out about slash at work. I don't generally talk about it to my students, but that's mostly because the occasion does not really arise that often. OTOH, colleagues have been known to yell, "Hey, slash girl!" at me in the halls. I've made jokes about writing gay porn on the internet around my department chair. I did a presentation on media fandom to my fellow faculty in which I talked freely and openly about being a slash writer. A few of my colleagues found this LJ during the Fandom and Male Privilege thing, and it never occurred to me to lock down my fannish stuff. If I were to lock anything down, it would be any non-fannish material.

(My family is another matter. I don't talk to them about slash because they just wouldn't be interested, and I don't need one more thing for them to roll their eyes at me for. My mom, I am fairly certain, knows. Still, again, if they ever found my LJ, what would get locked down would be the non-fannish things. My mother-in-law has read my slash, though.)

I have a personal...no so much theory as belief: I believe that as someone who has absolutely nothing to lose by being out about slash and fannishness in general (I have tenure, and besides, no one would fire me from this school over it anyway; my spouse neither would nor really could ever make it an issue, nor is he ever likely to be negatively affected by it), I have a personal responsibility to do so. Now, I emphasize, this is me, not what I feel about anyone else. But because I am in a position to be a visible presence, a relatively normal person who writes gay porn about comic book characters, I feel like I should be. That way, when articles come out in the mainstream press, the people who know me have a face to put to this weird thing they read about.

That said, I can tell you that the reluctance to be out about slash is often a composite effect. I suspect that if we were just writing m/m and f/f erotica, many of us would be at least a bit more open about it. It's the compounding of that with fanfic itself. Just the act of writing about TV and comic and movie characters is so weird and foreign and stigmatized to most non-fans that you have to get past that before you can even get to the erotic aspects, which are in themselves weird and stigmatized (you write porn about Captain Kirk? Freaky!). And that's before you get into the same-sex aspects. It's a helluva lot to get through.

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[info]petronelle
2006-06-28 03:48 pm UTC (link)
For me, the slash I write is a part of my expression of sexuality, and I think of it in the same category of secrecy. I am not open about my sexuality with many people -- not that I hide it, but it's not something I want to discuss, to the point that I dodge the question "Are you married?" when it's posed to me by people I don't think count as in that Venn diagram circle.

I cannot imagine hiding it from my spouse, who has read various things I've written and who is at least aware of the content of some of the rest. Also, there are action figures in compromising positions on my shelf, so people who come to my house (also a small group) could probably draw conclusions. I don't share it with my family in the same way that I don't talk about blowjob technique with them, and I don't share it with many RL friends, ditto.

I feel even more uncomfortable about it than I imagine I would feel about many media fandoms. I am a girl who reads superhero comics, and that's bad enough. Writing porn about them (or anything) could be dangerous to my career. Writing underage porn, oh, dear. I don't think there are many people in my life who would *want* to know that much about my turn-ons. I can handle it on a fannish level because I figure people who wander in and don't know me, but know my fandom, will deal.

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[info]jadelennox
2006-06-28 03:52 pm UTC (link)
I'm not closeted at all to my friends, but I certainly am to my family and colleagues. There's different reasons for each of those. I'm closeted to my family because I personally would feel very uncomfortable if my parents knew I had a hobby which revolved around erotica. I don't think about my parents and sex, and they don't think about me and sex, and I think that's a pretty good deal. I've mentioned fanfiction in front of them, and I thinks they know I have written about it and been published at least in a scholarly fashion, but I won't talk about erotic fanfiction with my parents.

As for colleagues, that's simple self-preservation. Coworkers have no need to know anything about my hobbies that are less socially acceptable than gardening. They, actually, also know that I have written professionally on the subject (I'm not in the slightest bit closeted about my professional publications, obviously). I also wouldn't tell them if I stripped on weekends, enjoyed using ecstasy at raves, or anything else which is really none of their business but which I don't feel the need to defend in culture the way I would being queer (which, to be fair, I am also closeted about to my parents).

I had a coworker a couple of years ago that when I googled his name it turned out that he was a practicing Wiccan who participated in skyclad rituals, and he had a Web presence under his real name in that aspect of his life. And more power to him that he was brave enough to have that out there, knowing that these days many prospective employers will Web search job applicants. And more power to the employer that they probably did do the Web search and still hired him, and he's fantastic at the job. But I don't see the need for my coworkers to know that my primary hobby is heavily intertwined with erotica.

I should not that it's neither the queerness nor the fanfiction aspect which I am worried about keeping private, is the erotic aspect.

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(no subject) - [info]fairestcat, 2006-06-29 05:14 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]dsudis
2006-06-28 03:59 pm UTC (link)
I'm out to pretty much everyone, except work - there's one of my four brothers I haven't actively discussed it with, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he's picked up the gist by now.

When I told my mom, she wanted to know where she'd gone wrong as a parent, and that she felt I was deviant. She then spent a year and a half hinting about my "lifestyle" to my dad before he finally brought that up, in the middle of a fight, so that I had to explain to him that I write gay porn about characters from defunct television shows on the internet (his reply: "well, that's anticlimactic.")

Slash is more than a hobby and less than a sexual orientation--it speaks to desire, something fundamental about who we are, and that something fundamental is something that families may not respond well to. At the same time, as a straight woman, it felt weirdly self-aggrandizing to come out about slash. It's just stories, after all. Not that you could tell that by my mother.

I'm not sure this is altogether coherent, but it's my two cents.

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(no subject) - [info]fairestcat, 2006-06-29 07:46 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]vassilissa
2006-06-28 04:08 pm UTC (link)
Does it make a difference what sort of slash it is, or how explicit it is? Or what one's RL environment is like?

I think it does: I think it makes a hell of a difference.

Remember the MsScribe debacle about losing her job? As it turned out she almost certainly made that up, but look at the reaction she got. It was effective because it was a paranoid fear at the back of so many people's minds.

And you can say it shouldn't be, you can say that lying isn't healthy, you can talk about rights - and you'd be *right* - but it's not the same as being gay or bi or trans: it's not all that, it's just some stories on the net, it's (to quote the old SF fandom antithesis to FIAWOL, 'fandom is a way of life,') just a goddamn hobby. Even if it's a hobby that really matters to you, *is* a way of life, that's how a lot of people see it.

There's also the TMI factor. Queer folks are *still* unsuccessfully trying to get it through straight folks' heads that it's "not about the sex". Slash, for many or most people, *is* about the sex. And we live, most of us, in societies where it's not considered usual or polite to talk about your sex life to people who aren't involved in it (or about to be.)

Is this attitude good for slash fandom? IMO, depends heavily on who you are and what your situation is. I don't think you can make a blanket statement that something is good or bad for slash fandom, period: it's just too big and diverse. And, heck, I'll make a blanket statement anyway: I think that diversity is good for slash fandom - even if I don't always agree with elements in it (for instance, I don't have much in common with the 50-year-old straight Republican-voting housewife turned on by first-time BDSM about tall, dark, handsome men with silky or velvety voices who aren't gay, they just love each other, who doesn't like gay men as such, she just likes to think about them doing anatomically impractical acts together. But she's still just as much a part of slash fandom as I am, even if I hate her taste in fic.)

Meanwhile, I want understanding for the people who could lose their jobs, healthcare, homes, marriages and families over it. Which sounds extreme, and may *be* extreme, but people don't completely closet themselves for fun. The average American is, what, two paychecks from homelessness? And then there are the young adults still dependent on their parents - slash is probably not the only they might be doing that their parents would disapprove of, but it's something, and it's one more risk.

I know a teacher who sometimes writes smut involving underage characters. I know her characters aren't the same ages as her students, and I know that she knows the difference, and I know her sense of ethics, and that even in her fanfic, adult/minor sex is presented as never healthy or wise or fun or happy for the people involved - the general motto of much of it would be DON'T DO THIS. And I know that none of that would matter to a parent of one of her students.

And there's another friend whose hard drive's fucked, and she's hoping her boyfriend can fix it, so she doesn't to take it to a repair place and maybe find out what it's like to be caught with illegal material on your computer. Text counts in her (US) state. Text counts in Australia too, BTW. Some places in the US, a fucking *dildo* counts.

And yeah, this stuff applies to being queer too. Why is coming out a bigger deal for queer folk, then? Because there's many, many more of us queer folk than us slashers. One in ten at least. And because queerness takes up more of your life than slash does. And because of visibility and privilege.

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(no subject) - [info]fairestcat, 2006-06-29 07:58 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]gramina
2006-06-28 04:14 pm UTC (link)
I'm not more than an occasional reader of slash, or of fanfic generally (though I'll read anything [info]zillah975 writes!), but the situation sounds very similar to what I know of the kink community (generally but not universally).

As with slash, a number of kinkyfolk I know have a friend who has instructions to clear their computers in the event of their deaths, and often (due to the nature of the beast :> ) their closets/toybags as well.

I think it comes down to something like, "there are things that my parents Just Don't Need To Know about my sex life." I'm out to them as poly because they need to know that these people are members of *their* family, because they're members of mine; but what we do in bed is just *not* something I'm inclined to share cross-generationally.

I guess because slash does kinda by definition deal with sexuality, there may be a number of people who feel pretty much the same about it. *G* Though they should be glad the computer is *all* they need to worry about! (Remind me to tell you one time of the Interesting note we found once when an ice storm trapped us *away* from the cabin we were staying at, and someone else had to take shelter there unexpectedly!)

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[info]cathexys
2006-06-28 04:27 pm UTC (link)
I have to second vassilissa about the sex part and the RL other people reacting part.

I'm pretty much as out as you can be when your CV has the words boybands and slash in it several times ;-) My parents get copies of my essays and I run my theories by my MIL. Otoh, I do not share the PWPs I read with my husband just like I wouldn't share the porn I watch with my parents.

I locked down my LJ when I was teaching at a high school boarding school in the bible belt. And no, I don't think the director or the parents would have cared one iota about fantasy versus reality when it came to teacher/student porn.

On the other hand, the gay rights moment from the very beginning was defined through an openness about sex and even now sex *is* something that can be talked about in public...so why are we different? Maybe because it's *not* our entire identity? Maybe because fandom while a part of my life is not all of it and could impact negatively?

Maybe being gay and out might not be as good an analogy as bdsm culture...would you be out and proud at your PTA meeting or would that be something that falls under the not needed to know by the neighbors category?

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[info]doolabug
2006-06-28 04:39 pm UTC (link)
hmmmm.... very interesting! I've never thought of my slash inclination as either closeted or out. I think of it more in terms of who would be interested and who would be bored to tears should I go on and on about my esoteric hobby.

My parents are of the pre-computer generation - they don't own one, don't care that they don't, and don't feel they're losing anything by it. They have no idea what fanfic is or even that it exists. It's not something they're interested in, so I don't talk about it with them.

My husband knows I find two hot guys together erotic, he teases me about it, he knows I write fic but he's never read it. He's just not that interested, just as I'm not that interested in his collecting of slide rules. I'm glad he finds it enjoyable but I really don't care to know the details, and I suspect he feels the same about my slash interest.

Work is similar - there is enough geek content around here to choke a cow. More proof that I'm a geek is unnecessary. Also, it's really none of their business, just as it's none of their business what Mr Scotty and I like to get up to when we're alone.

And maybe here's a point: are those who write het!fic just as 'closeted' as those who write slash!fic? Perhaps it's not the gay factor so much as its the erotica factor. Is writing erotic fanfic of any ilk more closeted than writing gen fanfic? I think when you start talking about the erotic aspects of an interest, you move from simple 'let me share my hobby with you' to 'now we're getting personal and you don't need to know what makes me happy in my bathing suit area'.

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[info]siriaeve
2006-06-28 04:39 pm UTC (link)
With the exception of my sister, not one of my family or my RL friends know that I'm in fandom, let alone that I'm in slash fandom. My sister only knows of my fannish activities because she's the only other member of my family who is computer savvy, and because she herself lurks somewhere around the edges of the Harry Potter fandom. She, however, is only vaguely aware that I have some kind of internet blog, and doesn't know my online pseud, let alone that I write slash.

I can't see myself ever telling them. I know that I'm already considered by many of my family and friends as too introverted, too given to spending my time writing or reading rather than going out. If I were ever to tell them that I was fannish, I know that they just wouldn't get it. They would see all the connotations of obsessive and overly invested, rather than seeing that it's a social space and a community where I feel very comfortable.

When you add slash into that... well, let's just say that I live in a very rural, conservative area of Ireland. I could count on one hand the number of openly, or even fairly open, gay men who live here. (I've never heard of any out lesbians at all; and believe me, if they were out? I would have heard of them.) My parents are also very religious. Since my mother has already informed me that she thinks I'm going to hell because I've left the Catholic church, and my father told me a number of years ago that he would disown me or my siblings if any of us turned out to be gay, I dread to think what their reactions would be if they ever found out about slash.

And it's... unfair. It's not like I think it's a huge deal in and of itself, but it's a big portion of my life that I have to cut off from my friends and my family. I can't say "God, I'm so frustrated that I can't figure out how to get John and Rodney together in this story", or even "I'm so excited that I finally got my hands on the DVDs of such and such a show! Now I can read the fic!" It's unfair, but at the moment, that's the only way this works for me.

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[info]30toseoul
2006-06-28 05:10 pm UTC (link)
This is a really interesting subject; I'll be coming back to keep reading people's responses.

As someone else said above, I keep my slash fandom stuff filtered away from the people who would be bored to tears by it, especially since I often write fandom posts two or three times a day. Any of my RL friends who might be interested get added to the filter, and anyone who tried could find my slash fic in about two minutes because my Internet pseudonym is the same for RL writing and fic writing.

I don't think I've ever said, "Hey, I write porn," to my parents or most of my other relatives, but that's more from manners and good taste. My mother doesn't really want to hear that. *g*

So yeah, I wouldn't care if everyone I knew found out. But I've come out of the actual closet, brought girls home, had gay male roommates for years, and my family's visited me in my Big Damn Gay Neighborhood, so slash fandom is kind of a minor detail after all that.

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[info]ms_nerd
2006-06-28 05:23 pm UTC (link)
Is this attitude in fact good for slash fandom?

I don't know. I've been in and around slash since I got a computer 10 years ago and have hid it ever since. All I know is how to be in the closet.

My husband knows but his strict Catholic upbringing and ingraned homophobia makes him not WANT to know. My family has no idea. The one time I did "come out" to a real friend who I trusted and wanted to share things with, she blurted out "she writes stories about Krycek and Mulder TOGETHER!" in the middle of a social gathering with a bunch of my husband's friends and colleagues and everyone laughed and made me feel like a jerk. True story. So yeah, I'm staying in the closet because I obviously can't change people's attitudes about thier hangups. I like it here. There's twizzlers.

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[info]linaelyn
2006-06-28 06:08 pm UTC (link)
Why is slash such a closeted sub-group? What is it about slash that makes so many fans convinced they have to hide it and lie about it, even to their near and dear?

I'm speaking here for myself. I am open about my slash writing to many people in my real life, notably to my spouse and my closest friends. My sister is aware of the generalities of my slash writing, but has not read the actual slash, only the GenFic.

I am DEEPLY CLOSETED about my slash writing to my parents, many of my other relatives, and many of my RL acquaintances.

This is because of virulent homophobia on those people's parts. I believe that openness about the fact that I write gay erotica would lead certain of my relatives to call child protective services, and, at a bare minimum, attempt to take away my privilege to homeschool my children. They would see me as an unfit parent.

It comes down to abusive relationships. I have relationships in my life where I LIVE IN CONSTANT FEAR. The slash issue is actually quite minor when compared to the religious differences. But it's unlikely that my fundamentalist relatives could convince the state that I do not deserve to keep my kids on the grounds that I'm not the right flavor of religion; writing porn, on the other hand, has always been extremely suspect in mothers of a certain age (who are supposed to be asexual).

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(no subject) - [info]fairestcat, 2006-06-30 12:55 am UTC (Expand)

[info]kalikahuntress
2006-06-28 06:10 pm UTC (link)
My family knows I read slash fiction, I have novels with gay characters in it and my mom reads them. Even my brother watches shows with the slash goggles on sometimes but I'm pretty lucky with my family I think. My friends know and even the guy that I've liked for several years knows and he didn't care, it was actually a test to see if we would be compatible or not:)

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(no subject) - [info]fairestcat, 2006-06-30 01:33 am UTC (Expand)
not everything under wraps is a bad thing; it might just be naked.
[info]shusu
2006-06-28 06:13 pm UTC (link)
I could go on and on about my family and personal situation and sexual orientation.

But it makes sense (to me, anyway), to put it this way.

I have no shame about it.

I want to enjoy it in a safe environment.

I want to enjoy it privately.

Note that these statements could also apply to my masturbation habits. To me, there's not much of a difference -- I could do it by myself or with a group. But to talk about it? To me, not everyone gets to have that privilege.

Note that I am talking to all of you through a well-worn pseudonym. Very few of my closest online friends have ever seen my face. Is that closeted? Well... I don't know, is it? I just mentioned masturbation to a group of strangers. So I'm not sure I subscribe to that binary track.

What *is* a problem is when I see shame crop up in the making of slash. Shame of anything private, really. But I'm not sure a person needs to be out in order to be unashamed.

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Re: not everything under wraps is a bad thing; it might just be naked. - [info]kita0610, 2006-06-30 12:07 am UTC (Expand)
Re: not everything under wraps is a bad thing; it might just be naked. - [info]fairestcat, 2006-06-30 01:43 am UTC (Expand)
Re: not everything under wraps is a bad thing; it might just be naked. - [info]kita0610, 2006-06-30 02:10 am UTC (Expand)
Re: not everything under wraps is a bad thing; it might just be naked. - [info]fairestcat, 2006-06-30 02:20 am UTC (Expand)
Re: not everything under wraps is a bad thing; it might just be naked. - [info]kita0610, 2006-06-30 02:23 am UTC (Expand)
Re: not everything under wraps is a bad thing; it might just be naked. - [info]fairestcat, 2006-06-30 01:38 am UTC (Expand)
Re: not everything under wraps is a bad thing; it might just be naked. - [info]viciouswishes, 2006-06-30 02:44 am UTC (Expand)

[info]slodwick
2006-06-28 06:29 pm UTC (link)
As far as friends go, I lost touch with a lot of my "real life" friends - from high school, college & whatnot - when I got a boyfriend and moved out of state many years ago, so most of my friends now are people I've met through fandom over the last four years, meaning I don't need to worry about censoring or closeting myself because we basically share the same interests (or at the very least, a certain level of open-mindedness if it's not our cuppa).

As far as my family goes, my mother is well aware of my fannish interests - though perhaps not quite so much of the explicit sexual stuff, but that's not something we would tell one other anyway - and has even read a fair bit of my gen fic. She feels that if nothing else, it's a good creative writing exercise for me. I am an only child, so I don't have to worry about explaining myself to siblings, and the rest of my family is so computer-phobic, I needn't worry about anyone finding me by accident.

I don't feel the need to lie about my hobbies most of the time, though I may occasionally leave out certain details that I don't feel the person would care to know, or would judge me for - I do live in a predominantly red state; in fact, I think the only concerns I really have are a) the pornographic/sexual aspect of it, which feels far more personal and private than simply "writing stories", and 2) the vague, nebulous legality of fan fiction in general.

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(no subject) - [info]fairestcat, 2006-06-30 01:48 am UTC (Expand)
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[info]mamoru22
2006-06-28 06:38 pm UTC (link)
Very interesting post you got here. *g*

I've always treated slash as I would treat any other hobby or obsession that I had over the years. Whenever I get caught up in something I happen to talk about it if I feel in the slightest that people care to hear about it.

It never even crossed my mind to make up a lie when my dad asked me what I was reading, or when my mum asked me why I squeed when Krycek kissed Mulder while we were watching the episode together.

I normally don't bring up the explicit sexual content of it unless people really ask me about it but then again, the whole scope of being a slasher - of being a member of this online community - is so much bigger to me than just this one aspect of it, that I could talk about slash and what it means to me for three hours before having to mention the word sex.

But now we get to the really interesting part:
Is this attitude in fact good for slash fandom?

If there is one sentence I am sick of hearing its this one: "The first rule of slash is don't talk about slash."

Not because I feel that everyone should now and at once start talking about it even if it makes them feeld uncomfortable; not because I think we should all bring up slash in discussions about the weather or make a political statement out of slash. Simply because I truly believe that how much we do or do not talk about slash is entirely up to each individual member of the community.

I think trying to push anyone into being silent about slash simply because oneself feels that slash should not be shared is as misguided as trying to push people who feel this should remain private into talking about it.

We all have our own comfort level and for each of us slash represents something else entirely. So yeah, I would not want to hide something that has become such an important part of my life from the people I care about. And that is my choice.

[info]linaerys said this: I think that a little circumspection about the whole thing may be good for slash fandom, because I think it is may encourage the less, uh, hinged (or less mature) fans to keep the slash away from the actors themselves. a few posts ago, which is the one aspect where a lot of people feel personal choice needs to be discarded for the greater good of the community. How open *can* we be before the community might get hurt by that?

The bigger question might be, how much do we hurt the community by only allowing those who might be less 'hinged' (to stay with that interpretation) to be the only ones representing us as a community? We as a community sure as hell aren't going to be able to stop anyone from wanting to share something they feel entirely natural to share. And if some people feel that this makes us all look bad, they might have to consider speaking up for themselves and telling their side of the story. As long as their side of the story is staying in the closet though, not many people will bother to look there.

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